Resolved Argh

[sroni]

Or at least, mostly. I linked one of my friends that's on AoL staff to this post, and he decided that I'd been clear cut with my reasonings, my reasonings made sense, and there was no good reason to not do it.

So I asked if he'd be willing to conference with me and Sai, and we could hopefully get it taken care of. She doesn't see the need for it, didn't see it last night, still doesn't see it. To her brain, things were fine as it was, and she didn't see how using the Overview thread as the start and stop place would make things any better, and I came in, wanting to mess things around and throwing a temper tantrum when I didn't get my way (when Spade came into the chatbox and deleted the argument, I shut the computer and cleaned the kitchen because I had to get away).

She still doesn't see the need, but now that another staff member is saying, "No, this really will make things easier to understand in the long run" she's willing to concede the point.

Which, okay, annoys me slightly- why should it take another person to get her to agree? But I try to tell myself that it's not that it's coming from someone not me, but that it's coming from more than one person.

Same friend also made her and I finally talk about the underlying issues, and we've agreed to try to see things from each other's viewpoints more often. She'll try to listen to me, and give reasons for saying no, and I'll try to not get so emotional I hide in the closet.

Comments

[ozma914.livejournal.com]

I've missed what this is all about, but I can certainly understand what you're going through in dealing with it.

[sroni.livejournal.com]

http://sroni.livejournal.com/114331.html


Basically, frustration that probably shouldn't matter, but does.

[ozma914.livejournal.com]

I already went back and found it. My suggestion: When asshats invade my happy places, I go find another happy place, and they're not invited.

[sroni.livejournal.com]

I can agree with that. But this Happy Place was created because that had happened with SGC. And if I leave AoL, other people will leave with me, and that will cause an even bigger crap storm.

And I do love AoL. Just these particular attitudes from these two people hurt.

[ozma914.livejournal.com]

Well, you could stay there *and* start up a happy place that's actually happy, although time factors are involved. Too bad you aren't an Oz fan, that's a universe that needs an RP site.

[sroni.livejournal.com]

I love Oz. I just don't know enough about it to be comfortable starting an RP site for it up.

And I have other places that keep me sane- notably "The Wastes", which is a Fallout RP site. It frustrates me, too, but it doesn't matter as much. Mostly because the people there, I enjoy, but I'm not in charge of anything, so I don't really offer ideas. And ideas aren't really needed all that much.

And when I do offer some up, I get listened to, even if I'm told no.

[ozma914.livejournal.com]

I don't know nearly as much about Oz as I thought I did before I went on the internet! Having an RP based just on Baum's books would be hard enough, but including all the characters from all 40 of the official books -- wow.

Honestly, I don't understand why people get into these control freak kerfluffles. The whole idea of this is to have fun -- if they're not having fun, what's the point?

[sroni.livejournal.com]

Oh, the big thing for these particular people are, is Spade just wants the place to be fun, so anything he sees as disrupting that gets stamped out quickly. He doesn't seem to get that I'm not trying to disrupt fun- I'm trying to smooth things out so they're better organized and even MORE fun because you no longer have to go searching for things.

And Sai's thing, that annoys me tremendously, is that if she doesn't see the need for it, she thinks we shouldn't do it. Even with me spending an hour explaining why there's at least logical reasoning to go with it, if not an out and out "need".

And my thing is that I really hate feeling like I don't matter. It's not so much that I want my things gone with. It's that I hate being dismissed without an explanation. The previous big thing that went down was the date change (the thing that I went over their heads with and took it to vote). I'd actually suggested something similar months before, and it got shot down quickly by four different staff members. But two of the four gave REASONS, and I looked at their reasons and reworked it, and played around with ideas, and came up with a way to make things work.

See how nice feedback is, instead of straight nos? :P

[ozma914.livejournal.com]

I do understand how you feel -- I struggle with the same thing on the fire department, although not so much now as when I was younger. In that case it's a matter of people stuck in their ways not wanting to listen to ideas for innovation, but it still amounts to people not being willing to consider the thoughts of others. Hang in there!

[sroni.livejournal.com]

Hanging. She and I came to an agreement. We'll see how long it lasts. :D

[sroni.livejournal.com]

I've now been informed that I'm a manipulative bitch, who throws a temper tantrum when I don't get my way.

Not happy. Took a week off. My friends have stepped in and informed the both of us that we're allowed to talk to each other, but we are NEVER allowed to discuss AoL with each other, unless it's a staff meeting. From here on out, we always have to go through the two friends.

Which... I'm oddly okay with. Provided they get her to stick to it. Otherwise, if she tries to tell me to do something when the others aren't there (she's made me change my posts a few times so that a later post can fit in- something that is against the rules- when the other staff members aren't online, so it's just her against me) I'll respond with "We're not allowed to talk about this. We're waiting until Dave or Run gets on, and then the four of us can discuss it. But you and I are not allowed to talk about this, especially not without one of them present."

[ozma914.livejournal.com]

Sounds like having a buffer between you two is the best way to go.